March 2002 - VOLUME 23 - NUMBER 3
An Interview with Lawrence Lessig
Lawrence Lessig is a professor at Stanford Law School. He is the author of The Future of Ideas: The Fate of the Commons in a Connected World and Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace. He clerked for Judge Richard Posner on the Seventh Circuit of Appeals and Justice Antonin Scalia on the U.S. Supreme Court. He is a monthly columnist for The Industry Standard, and a board member of the Red Hat Center for Open Source.
| As the Internet moves from narrow band to broad band ó from telephone lines to cable lines ó cable companies have the power and the right legally to exercise much more control over what happens on the network. |
Multinational Monitor: What do you mean in describing the Internet
as free? Common carriage regulation in that sense takes what is otherwise owned
property, like a telephone system, and makes it function like a commons,
because theres no discrimination in access to the resource. At the physical layer, the original Internet was layered on top of a
telephone system that was regulated to be free in that sense: under common
carriage regulation the phone system was regulated to make resources
the telephone lines available to others on an equal and neutral
basis. MM: When you talk about the code layer of the Internet, one of
the central ideas is end-to-end. What does that mean and why is it important? Peer-to-peer is one implementation of this network. What it means is
that computers at the edge of the network are communicating directly with
each other, not through a server in the center of the network or some
central computer which is allocating resources to the edge. Napster was a kind of peer-to-peer system. You were essentially transferring
files from one person on the edge of the network to another person on
the edge of the network. Instant messaging technologies are peer-to-peer, because one computer
at the edge of the network is talking to another computer at the edge
of the network. These systems importantly are not controlled by anything built into the
network. What this means is the platform of the Internet, which is what you expect
to get when you connect broadband, is no longer neutral among the different
uses of broadband technology. Instead, its tilted in favor of some
content and some applications, and against others. Its that compromise
of neutrality that is going to create a great burden for innovation and
creativity. MM: Is there evidence that the cable companies would use these
kind of technologies? So the answer is yes, they certainly have expressed the desire and are
already deploying the technology to enable that kind of discrimination. But theyre an inferior technology in the sense that its going
to be much harder for DSL to provide the kind of throughput or power that
cable can. Cable Labs, which develops the cable modems, now has a cable
modem standard that allows 40 megabits per second in both directions.
This is version two of their cable modem. 40 megabits per second is extraordinarily
fast compared with DSL, which is lucky if it provides 1.5 megabits per
second. So in the long run, cable is going to be a much more powerful platform
to deliver broadband content. The fact that telephones right now are a
better competitor doesnt guarantee that cable doesnt get the
lions share of the market in the long run. As a result, phone companies have pushed for a long time to try to put
cable on the same regulatory plane that telephones are. So theyve
been strong opponents. I also think that, in the long run, Microsoft is going to be a strong
opponent to these games being played on the network. Microsofts
strategy for .NET envisions the network remaining the way it was. Microsoft
wants to deliver services to the edge of the network without having to
worry about whats going on in the middle. So they could become a
powerful ally in defending the original architectural values of the network,
but its a little early to know. AOL is becoming an increasingly vertically integrated entity Time
Warner is the largest content-owner, and AOL obviously has a huge percentage
of the online access through their proprietary software, and they increasingly
own cable lines. So they own content, code and the physical layer of the
network, and that integration creates barriers that make it extremely
hard for competitors to battle with them. So that will be one dimension
of the battle that Microsoft has with them in the future. MM: How did the AOL Time merger affect AOLs position on this
set of issues? This question of whether open access should be pursued as government
policy has been answered in different ways by both AT&T and AOL, depending
on whether they happened to own cable lines. When AT&T was in Canada
before they owned cable lines, they told the Canadian government that
it was extremely important that open access be required for cable lines,
because otherwise the cable company would exercise too much power over
the Internet. Once they owned cable lines, then they said the market should
decide this, not government. Same thing with AOL. When AOL didnt
own any cable lines, they came to a number of governments, including in
San Francisco, and said they needed to impose open-access requirements.
Once they owned the cable lines, following the merger with Time Warner,
they were much more willing to let the market take care of itself. Now that balance has changed. Increasing copyright protections have occurred,
and largely for good reasons. A lot more is protected. But at some point
that protection becomes too strong. The balance is no longer a balance.
Thats where I think we are now, because its not just that
the term is extremely long the life of the author plus 70 years
but the scope of the right is extremely broad. It covers copying,
derivative works, using the works in different media. All of this control
in the hands of the original copyright owner can inhibit follow-on innovation.
This is particularly true of digital technologies, which enable that kind
of innovation. The first example of that is the player piano. Before the player piano,
copyright owners of music made their money by selling sheet music. The
player piano made it possible for makers of player pianos to Napsterize
the sheet music market by buying one copy of the sheet music, converting
it into a piano roll, and then selling the piano rolls thereby
making it no longer necessary for people to buy sheet music. The U.S.
Supreme Court held that that was not a copyright violation. So Congress had to regulate through a change in the statute. When they
changed the statute, they gave the sheet music manufacturer the right
to make copies after an initial mechanical production has been made and
pay a fixed rate for those copies, like two cents per copy. That was a
way to make sure copyright owners got paid, but the sheet music industry
couldnt leverage their power over sheet music into control over
the next technology, which was player pianos. The same thing happened with cable television. Cable TV is the most dramatic
case of Napster before Napster. They set up technologies television
receivers on top of hills, stole the content of broadcasters and
sold it to their customers, delivering broadcast programming by cable.
Twice the Supreme Court was asked to strike this down, and twice the Supreme
Court said it was not a violation of copyright law. For 20 years, the
cable television industry got to Napsterize broadcasting content without
regulation of copyright law. When Congress got around to regulating this,
they struck the same balance that they struck in the context of player
piano rolls. They said that cable companies have the right to get access
to broadcast television content, but they have to pay for the content.
So Congress created a compulsory licensing right with respect to broadcasting
content. In both cases, the objective is to make sure that one industry doesnt
leverage control into the next generation. Thats what a compulsory
license right does. The same opportunity could exist in the context of
the Internet, if Congress would ever get around to protecting the Internet
from overly strong copyright regulation. MM: The background law has evolved so that the presumption is to
shut down the new technology. That changes the dynamic in the regulatory
system and Congress altogether. Now Napster is the one who has to muster
the political will to get a compulsory license, instead of the recording
industry. In my view, with any regulation, the person promoting the regulation
should demonstrate first that the regulation is going to do some good,
and then, once theres some demonstration that the regulation will
do some good, then you roll out the regulation. You dont regulate
first and ask questions later. But the problem that weve had in
the context of patents is that the patent bar has pushed this form of
regulation and the court of appeals for the federal circuit court has
endorsed it, so weve seen this explosion of software and business
method patents, without any good demonstration that this type of regulation
will do any good. In fact, there are lots of good reasons to believe it will do harm. We
know that patents are hugely expensive to administer. Its a dead-weight
loss, economically, to society. With innovation like in software that
comes in sequential, complementary fashion, theres a likelihood
innovation will therefore be hampered by patents. What the policymakers should be doing is deciding whether theres
a good reason to believe the benefit from patents in this area outweighs
the costs. But if you look at the economic literature, theres no
good evidence to suggest that the benefits outweigh the costs. That leads
to the conclusion that we shouldnt be regulating here. To the extent that wireless cant do that or it would result in
insufficient competition, another solution would be to impose a common
carriage regulation at the code layer. Not at the physical layer
this regulation would say, You can build whatever wires or technology
you want, you dont have to open your wires up to competitors. But
if youre delivering Internet content, here are the rules under which
the content must be delivered. That would create a kind of neutral
platform, imposed at the code layer. Thirdly, you can impose open-access requirements at the physical layer,
so that you induce competition to guarantee that strategic behavior by
the cable or broadband companies could succeed. In the content layer, I think there should be radical change in the regulation
of copyright law not abolition of copyright law, but a change in
its scope and certainly duration to enable a lot more content to exist
in the public domain. A certain amount of compulsory licensing rights
would also free up lots of content for innovation. |
|
| I also think that, in the long run, Microsoft is going to be a strong opponent to these games being played on the network. | ||
| Itís also possible that the AOL Time Warner merger made AOL dangerous for the future of the Internet. Itís not clear yet, but this vertical integration creates all the wrong incentives for keeping the platform of the network open. | ||
| Cable TV is the most dramatic case of Napster before Napster. | ||
| Essentially what [expanded copyrights protections] mean is that any new technology doesnt just have to defend itself in the marketplace, but in the court room against copyright owners before its allowed to exist in the marketplace. | I hope I am wrong. But
if you look at where the politics lie, and what the interests are, the powers on the side of changing the Internet are much stronger than the powers on the side of preserving it. |